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TikTok has been the most downloaded app in the U.S. for three years running. It is also on its way out of Montana at the end of 2023 unless a legal case can be made to throw out a ban (SB 419) signed into law earlier this week by that state’s governor.

Gov. Greg Gianforte said the ban was necessary because the Chinese Communist Party was “using TikTok to spy on Americans, violate their privacy, and collect their personal, private, and sensitive information.”

Montana will prohibit the use of TikTok and other social media apps tied to hostile foreign governments on state-owned devices beginning June 1. App stores will be prohibited from allowing downloads of TikTok beginning on Jan. 1, even though both Apple and Google have said that they cannot limit access in Montana alone.

A group of TikTok users is already contesting the new law with claims that only the federal government has jurisdiction in national security matters and that the legislation signed by Gov. Gianforte violates the First Amendment rights of Montanans.

“By shuttering an entire forum for communication that Defendant Montana Attorney General Austin Knudsen himself admitted is one of the best way[s] to get your free speech out there, the law creates a prior restraint on expression that violates the First Amendment, depriving Montanans of access to a forum that for many is a principal source[] for knowing current events and otherwise exploring the vast realms of human thought and knowledge,” the lawsuit argues.

The Biden administration in March threatened to ban TikTok in the U.S. if ByteDance, the app’s Chinese owner, refuses to sell its stake in the video-sharing app.

TikTok bans could have significant ramifications for brands and retailers that have benefited from free user-generated content in the form of “haul” videos that appeal to Gen Z consumers and younger Millennials.

Morning Consult research has found that haul videos are the most likely to drive Gen Z-ers to make a purchase. Forty-two percent of Americans between the ages of 13 and 25 have purchased a product after seeing a video where the creator shows products they’ve bought. A wide range of retailers, including Costco, Dollar General, Sephora and Shein, have all benefited from the largely free publicity that comes from TikTok haul videos.

TikTok is also the most popular influencer marketing channel (utilized by 56 percent of brands using influencer marketing), according to “The State of Influencer Marketing 2023” from Influencer Marketing Hub. The video-sharing app ranks ahead of Instagram (51 percent), Facebook (42 percent) and YouTube (38 percent).

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“Nuance and reasonableness seem to have been lost in much of our problem solving.”

Jeff Sward

Founding Partner, Merchandising Metrics


“Of all of the comments so far, no one has answered the question asked by the article? Will more states ban TikTok? The answer is yes. And it has bi-partisan support.”

Joel Rubinson

President, Rubinson Partners, Inc.


“TikTok bans will have significant ramifications for brands & retailers that benefit from user-generated “haul” videos that appeal to Gen Z & Millennials.”

Mohammad Ahsen

Co-Founder, Customer Maps

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29 responses to “Will More States Follow Montana And Ban TikTok?”

  1. Jeff Sward Avatar
    Jeff Sward

    There’s a lot to be nervous about how all kinds of social media are used to spread misinformation and outright lies and promote violence and…… But outright bans that slam the door on free speech rights go too far. Nuance and reasonableness seem to have been lost in much of our problem solving.

  2. Gene Detroyer Avatar
    Gene Detroyer

    This whole thing is laughable. If Chinese citizens know how to get around The Great Chinese Fire Wall, anybody from Montana who wants to watch TikTok will.

    Also laughable is the governor’s comment “using TikTok to spy on Americans, violate their privacy, and collect their personal, private, and sensitive information.” Could we replace “TikTok with any social media in that statement?

    The people in the state government of Montana are either totally ignorant or just trying to make political hay. I suspect the latter.

  3. Georganne Bender Avatar
    Georganne Bender

    All I can say to Montana lawmakers is good luck with that.

  4. Cathy Hotka Avatar
    Cathy Hotka

    Nice try, Montana. Will the cyber police come to high schools to check everyones’ phones?

    1. Gene Detroyer Avatar
      Gene Detroyer

      The internet knows no borders.

  5. Lisa Goller Avatar
    Lisa Goller

    This state ban will irritate Montana’s younger cohorts and the companies that rely on TikTok to reach them.

    Other states will watch for a backlash in Montana or demand for more bans.

  6. Paula Rosenblum Avatar
    Paula Rosenblum

    I have to confess, I don’t get all the TikTok fears. Apple doesn’t release iOS apps unless they’ve been certified, and there is no information (beyond an email address) I had to give TikTok to join and actually, I can watch things without even signing in.

    So not only is this a Quixotic battle, it’s also one I can’t figure out for the life of me.

    Give it up. The thing is viral If there are concerns, put better guard rails around it.

    1. Gene Detroyer Avatar
      Gene Detroyer

      I love it…”Quixotic battle”. I admit I steal your creative quotes.

    2. Richard Hernandez Avatar
      Richard Hernandez

      This is true. You don’t have to sign up to use the app to watch the videos. Same for Facebook(mostly) or Pinterest, etc. While I get the rationale, this becomes a slippery slope example for all social media.

  7. Gary Sankary Avatar
    Gary Sankary

    The backlash against social media and big content providers will pick up steam, in my opinion. Will more states ban TikTok? You can count on it. Should they? A state-level ban will be impossible to enforce. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a federal-level ban in the future.
    Meanwhile, Utah just enacted legislation to ban any minor from using social media without parental consent. The verification process is onerous, parents have to fill in forms for every app their kid wants to access. I’m sure no one will find a way around that. I’ll be interested to see how enforcement goes. And this isn’t a one-off. Connecticut, Ohio, Arkansas, and Texas have bills working their way through their legislatures to do the same thing.
    Meanwhile, while we worry about social media stealing our deets, lawmakers at the moment are looking the other way while shopping apps like Temu and their sister company Pinduoduo have been found planting malware on user’s phones and actively bypassing privacy settings to gather data about users social interactions, emails, photos and more.
    Is TicTok the malicious spyware app that some would paint it to be? I don’t think so. Are there real issues with apps stealing data and acting on behalf of foreign actors? I believe where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

    1. Paula Rosenblum Avatar
      Paula Rosenblum

      Hey Gary!can you show me some documented evidence that those companies are doing that? I choose not to download the Temu app anyway, but I’m even trying to find the smoke. So far, the only documented clear evidence is Facebook and Cambridge Analytica (and of course, google follows everything)

  8. Brandon Rael Avatar
    Brandon Rael

    A TikTok ban is a doomed strategy by the state of Montana. TikTok has become the preeminent social media app in a very short time. A prohibition on TikTok at the state level is almost impossible to execute as Apple and Android-based devices are not managed for individual states. Additionally, a ban on TikTok, which is such an outstanding forum for expressing new ideas, concepts, stories, and engagement that spans generations, completely violates the freedom of speech.

    TikTok has to enable far more detailed privacy and data-sharing regulations to provide a sense of comfort, security, and transparency for its user community and US government officials. There have been discussions around TikTok establishing a US-based business and legal entity, which includes preventing the user data from going offshore.

    With these capabilities in place, the sense of concern and fears will be mitigated, as a ban on TikTok sets an unfortunate precedence for all social media apps moving forward.

  9. Ryan Mathews Avatar
    Ryan Mathews

    Let’s set TikTok aside for a moment and consider the more generic question of what happens when one or more states ban, or more correctly try to ban, any social media platform. In the case of just one state passing a law that’s no problem because it is inane and totally unenforceable. But, if say 34 states began enacting similar legislation, the picture changes. There are two components of “Big Tech” success.The first is obviously technology, and the second is “Bigness” or scale.The Balkanization, or attempted Balkanization, of social media – assume ing there were substantial efforts to enforce said Balkanization – could make it very expensive to maintain scale. But, for the time being Montana lawmakers need to consider “ITIS” – It’s The Internet Stupid – the digital version of KISS. And, yes, ITIS nearly impossible to police.

  10. Melissa Minkow Avatar
    Melissa Minkow

    I don’t think anyone understands how this is going to work in practice.

  11. Katie Thomas Avatar
    Katie Thomas

    I wish we’d shift the energy focused on social media away from banning apps and unsubstantiated claims of data theft, to figuring out how we can keep social media but without a negative impact on users’ mental health.

  12. Joel Rubinson Avatar
    Joel Rubinson

    Of all of the comments so far, no one has answered the question asked by the article? Will more states ban Tik Tok? the answer is yes. And it has bi-partisan support.

  13. Evan Snively Avatar
    Evan Snively

    I wonder if Presidential candidates will need to explicitly state their position on this issue over the next year. Sadly, I think it could be something that tips some young voters one way or the other.

  14. Neil Saunders Avatar
    Neil Saunders

    This should be struck down as unconstitutional. It is the thin end of the wedge. If government can ban TikTok then, in theory, it can ban any form of communication it sees as risky. Government should simply not have that power.

    1. Gene Detroyer Avatar
      Gene Detroyer

      Neil, a short and sweet comment and frighteningly true.

  15. Craig Sundstrom Avatar
    Craig Sundstrom

    Seldom has a question been so easy to answer.

  16. Trevor Sumner Avatar
    Trevor Sumner

    States will watch Montana closely for the potential fallout and legal challenges to better understand the ramifications of taking this stand. Others states may contemplate it, especially as the presidential election looms on the horizon, and this type of grandstanding increases in frequency and magnitude.

  17. Andrew Casey Avatar
    Andrew Casey

    Trying to ban TikTok or any social media for that matter, will prove to be as impossible as catching smoke. Just a fools game.

  18. Warren Thayer Avatar
    Warren Thayer

    People who try to ban TikTok are generally those who also believe in “alternate facts” of their own choosing. That being the case, I am sure more states will try to follow Montana’s “lead” in this embarrassing attempt at herding cats (or catching smoke). And, with the country heading in such strange directions now, I am sure we won’t be hearing the last of this sort of thing for some time to come — a likely prospect which I find unsettling.

  19. Mohammad Ahsen Avatar
    Mohammad Ahsen

    With the TikTok ban in Montana, the free speech of hundreds of thousands of people, who use the app to express themselves, gather information, and run their small business have been impacted. More than half of states have banned TikTok on government devices and more states are likely to exercise the ban citing anti-Chinese sentiment and security reasons.

    TikTok bans will have significant ramifications for brands and retailers that have benefited from free user-generated content in the form of “haul” videos that appeal to Gen Z consumers and younger Millennials.

  20. Michael Zakkour Avatar
    Michael Zakkour

    All political. An nothing is uglier than copying the tactics of the system you claim to ne the opposite of.

  21. Ricardo Belmar Avatar
    Ricardo Belmar

    Will other states try to ban TikTok? Almost certainly. Will they succeed? No. Putting aside other social media platforms’ claims about “free speech”, this one clearly fits the legal definitions. This isn’t something a state can successfully do. In addition to free speech and communication claims, I am sure TikTok’s legal team is contemplating how this violates interstate commerce. Could this provide some steam to a federal ban? Possibly – and that’s also rather questionable if it can stand up in court. As others here have mentioned, there are more dangerous things happening in social media, including TikTok, related to mental health of teens and others than the alleged security and privacy concerns. For that matter, why can’t these governments focus their attention on good privacy laws and requirements for app-based services like this rather than outright bans. A ban like this is most likely a political maneuver more so than anything related to good legislative practice.

  22. Allison McGuire Avatar
    Allison McGuire

    This isn’t about banning TikTok, it’s about restricting access on state-owned devices.
    That’s exactly why we have work phones, so we can keep our personal and professional lives separate.

  23. David Biernbaum Avatar
    David Biernbaum

    Most of what is posted on Tik Tok is probably not the “intelligence” that China is looking for. When China wants to spy on us, they will launch a balloon that gathers all that they need, and our president won’t shoot it down until it reaches the Atlantic.

    Besides, legislators are naïve in the states where Tik Tok will be banned. A kid in Montana will have no problem getting on. They will not be denied access.

  24. Georges F Mirza Avatar
    Georges F Mirza

    Not sure if this is getting tested on a state level, with the hopes of building a wave of support across the country. I think trying to implement this at the state level is futile. I am also concerned about the impact on freedom and choice. If it has profound implications for security and safety, it should be addressed at the source, not state by state.

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Jeff Sward
Jeff Sward
2 months ago

There’s a lot to be nervous about how all kinds of social media are used to spread misinformation and outright lies and promote violence and…… But outright bans that slam the door on free speech rights go too far. Nuance and reasonableness seem to have been lost in much of our problem solving.

Gene Detroyer
Gene Detroyer
2 months ago

This whole thing is laughable. If Chinese citizens know how to get around The Great Chinese Fire Wall, anybody from Montana who wants to watch TikTok will.

Also laughable is the governor’s comment “using TikTok to spy on Americans, violate their privacy, and collect their personal, private, and sensitive information.” Could we replace “TikTok with any social media in that statement?

The people in the state government of Montana are either totally ignorant or just trying to make political hay. I suspect the latter.

Georganne Bender
Georganne Bender
2 months ago

All I can say to Montana lawmakers is good luck with that.

Cathy Hotka
Cathy Hotka
2 months ago

Nice try, Montana. Will the cyber police come to high schools to check everyones’ phones?

Gene Detroyer
Gene Detroyer
  Cathy Hotka
2 months ago

The internet knows no borders.

Lisa Goller
Lisa Goller
2 months ago

This state ban will irritate Montana’s younger cohorts and the companies that rely on TikTok to reach them.

Other states will watch for a backlash in Montana or demand for more bans.

Paula Rosenblum
Paula Rosenblum
2 months ago

I have to confess, I don’t get all the TikTok fears. Apple doesn’t release iOS apps unless they’ve been certified, and there is no information (beyond an email address) I had to give TikTok to join and actually, I can watch things without even signing in.

So not only is this a Quixotic battle, it’s also one I can’t figure out for the life of me.

Give it up. The thing is viral If there are concerns, put better guard rails around it.

Gene Detroyer
Gene Detroyer
  Paula Rosenblum
2 months ago

I love it…”Quixotic battle”. I admit I steal your creative quotes.

Richard Hernandez
Richard Hernandez
  Paula Rosenblum
2 months ago

This is true. You don’t have to sign up to use the app to watch the videos. Same for Facebook(mostly) or Pinterest, etc. While I get the rationale, this becomes a slippery slope example for all social media.

Gary Sankary
Gary Sankary
2 months ago

The backlash against social media and big content providers will pick up steam, in my opinion. Will more states ban TikTok? You can count on it. Should they? A state-level ban will be impossible to enforce. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a federal-level ban in the future.
Meanwhile, Utah just enacted legislation to ban any minor from using social media without parental consent. The verification process is onerous, parents have to fill in forms for every app their kid wants to access. I’m sure no one will find a way around that. I’ll be interested to see how enforcement goes. And this isn’t a one-off. Connecticut, Ohio, Arkansas, and Texas have bills working their way through their legislatures to do the same thing.
Meanwhile, while we worry about social media stealing our deets, lawmakers at the moment are looking the other way while shopping apps like Temu and their sister company Pinduoduo have been found planting malware on user’s phones and actively bypassing privacy settings to gather data about users social interactions, emails, photos and more.
Is TicTok the malicious spyware app that some would paint it to be? I don’t think so. Are there real issues with apps stealing data and acting on behalf of foreign actors? I believe where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

Paula Rosenblum
Paula Rosenblum
  Gary Sankary
2 months ago

Hey Gary!can you show me some documented evidence that those companies are doing that? I choose not to download the Temu app anyway, but I’m even trying to find the smoke. So far, the only documented clear evidence is Facebook and Cambridge Analytica (and of course, google follows everything)

Brandon Rael
Brandon Rael
2 months ago

A TikTok ban is a doomed strategy by the state of Montana. TikTok has become the preeminent social media app in a very short time. A prohibition on TikTok at the state level is almost impossible to execute as Apple and Android-based devices are not managed for individual states. Additionally, a ban on TikTok, which is such an outstanding forum for expressing new ideas, concepts, stories, and engagement that spans generations, completely violates the freedom of speech.

TikTok has to enable far more detailed privacy and data-sharing regulations to provide a sense of comfort, security, and transparency for its user community and US government officials. There have been discussions around TikTok establishing a US-based business and legal entity, which includes preventing the user data from going offshore.

With these capabilities in place, the sense of concern and fears will be mitigated, as a ban on TikTok sets an unfortunate precedence for all social media apps moving forward.

Ryan Mathews
Ryan Mathews
2 months ago

Let’s set TikTok aside for a moment and consider the more generic question of what happens when one or more states ban, or more correctly try to ban, any social media platform. In the case of just one state passing a law that’s no problem because it is inane and totally unenforceable. But, if say 34 states began enacting similar legislation, the picture changes. There are two components of “Big Tech” success.The first is obviously technology, and the second is “Bigness” or scale.The Balkanization, or attempted Balkanization, of social media – assume ing there were substantial efforts to enforce said Balkanization – could make it very expensive to maintain scale. But, for the time being Montana lawmakers need to consider “ITIS” – It’s The Internet Stupid – the digital version of KISS. And, yes, ITIS nearly impossible to police.

Melissa Minkow
Melissa Minkow
2 months ago

I don’t think anyone understands how this is going to work in practice.

Katie Thomas
Katie Thomas
2 months ago

I wish we’d shift the energy focused on social media away from banning apps and unsubstantiated claims of data theft, to figuring out how we can keep social media but without a negative impact on users’ mental health.

Joel Rubinson
Joel Rubinson
2 months ago

Of all of the comments so far, no one has answered the question asked by the article? Will more states ban Tik Tok? the answer is yes. And it has bi-partisan support.

Evan Snively
Evan Snively
2 months ago

I wonder if Presidential candidates will need to explicitly state their position on this issue over the next year. Sadly, I think it could be something that tips some young voters one way or the other.

Neil Saunders
Neil Saunders
2 months ago

This should be struck down as unconstitutional. It is the thin end of the wedge. If government can ban TikTok then, in theory, it can ban any form of communication it sees as risky. Government should simply not have that power.

Gene Detroyer
Gene Detroyer
  Neil Saunders
2 months ago

Neil, a short and sweet comment and frighteningly true.

Craig Sundstrom
Craig Sundstrom
2 months ago

Seldom has a question been so easy to answer.

Trevor Sumner
Trevor Sumner
2 months ago

States will watch Montana closely for the potential fallout and legal challenges to better understand the ramifications of taking this stand. Others states may contemplate it, especially as the presidential election looms on the horizon, and this type of grandstanding increases in frequency and magnitude.

Andrew Casey
Andrew Casey
2 months ago

Trying to ban TikTok or any social media for that matter, will prove to be as impossible as catching smoke. Just a fools game.

Warren Thayer
Warren Thayer
2 months ago

People who try to ban TikTok are generally those who also believe in “alternate facts” of their own choosing. That being the case, I am sure more states will try to follow Montana’s “lead” in this embarrassing attempt at herding cats (or catching smoke). And, with the country heading in such strange directions now, I am sure we won’t be hearing the last of this sort of thing for some time to come — a likely prospect which I find unsettling.

Mohammad Ahsen
Mohammad Ahsen
2 months ago

With the TikTok ban in Montana, the free speech of hundreds of thousands of people, who use the app to express themselves, gather information, and run their small business have been impacted. More than half of states have banned TikTok on government devices and more states are likely to exercise the ban citing anti-Chinese sentiment and security reasons.

TikTok bans will have significant ramifications for brands and retailers that have benefited from free user-generated content in the form of “haul” videos that appeal to Gen Z consumers and younger Millennials.

Michael Zakkour
Michael Zakkour
2 months ago

All political. An nothing is uglier than copying the tactics of the system you claim to ne the opposite of.

Ricardo Belmar
Ricardo Belmar
2 months ago

Will other states try to ban TikTok? Almost certainly. Will they succeed? No. Putting aside other social media platforms’ claims about “free speech”, this one clearly fits the legal definitions. This isn’t something a state can successfully do. In addition to free speech and communication claims, I am sure TikTok’s legal team is contemplating how this violates interstate commerce. Could this provide some steam to a federal ban? Possibly – and that’s also rather questionable if it can stand up in court. As others here have mentioned, there are more dangerous things happening in social media, including TikTok, related to mental health of teens and others than the alleged security and privacy concerns. For that matter, why can’t these governments focus their attention on good privacy laws and requirements for app-based services like this rather than outright bans. A ban like this is most likely a political maneuver more so than anything related to good legislative practice.

Allison McGuire
Allison McGuire
2 months ago

This isn’t about banning TikTok, it’s about restricting access on state-owned devices.
That’s exactly why we have work phones, so we can keep our personal and professional lives separate.

David Biernbaum
David Biernbaum
2 months ago

Most of what is posted on Tik Tok is probably not the “intelligence” that China is looking for. When China wants to spy on us, they will launch a balloon that gathers all that they need, and our president won’t shoot it down until it reaches the Atlantic.

Besides, legislators are naïve in the states where Tik Tok will be banned. A kid in Montana will have no problem getting on. They will not be denied access.

Georges F Mirza
Georges F Mirza
2 months ago

Not sure if this is getting tested on a state level, with the hopes of building a wave of support across the country. I think trying to implement this at the state level is futile. I am also concerned about the impact on freedom and choice. If it has profound implications for security and safety, it should be addressed at the source, not state by state.