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Is VRT ticket #2014070110000717 still valid for these three files?[edit]

These deletion requests here:

1. File:President Yoon Suk Yeol and first Lady Kim Keon Hee depart to Madrid, Spain for Nato Summit at Seoul Air Base (3).jpg.

2. File:President_Yoon_Suk_Yeol_and_first_Lady_Kim_Keon_Hee_depart_to_Madrid,_Spain_for_Nato_Summit_at_Seoul_Air_Base_(2).jpg

3. File:President Yoon Suk Yeol and first Lady Kim Keon Hee depart to Madrid, Spain for Nato Summit at Seoul Air Base (1).jpg

All state that the "Reason for the nomination: CC-BY-NC-SA license on Flickr, the VRT ticket is just a verification for those images marked with CC-BY-SA"


These three Flickr links all have the exact same the license history below:

1. https://www.flickr.com/photos/koreanet/52176290159/

2. https://www.flickr.com/photos/koreanet/52176042741/

3. https://www.flickr.com/photos/koreanet/52175009767/in/photostream/


"License History

Note: There is no license history before July 17, 2008"

Date January 16, 2023 at 10:46:41 PM PST
Old License Attribution-ShareAlike (CC BY-SA 2.0)
New License Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA 2.0)

This file uploaded on 00:51, 1 July 2022, which is before the license changed on January 16, 2023.

So, is this VRT ticket #2014070110000717 still valid?

Thanks, -- Ooligan (talk) 23:41, 15 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Jarekt, Please, see the link below, where the @JarektBot added the same VRT ticket number to the three files above.
Can you answer my question above?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3APresident_Yoon_Suk_Yeol_and_first_Lady_Kim_Keon_Hee_depart_to_Madrid%2C_Spain_for_Nato_Summit_at_Seoul_Air_Base_%281%29.jpg&diff=712122705&oldid=677465007
Thanks, -- Ooligan (talk) 07:00, 17 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ooligan, See my response at Commons:Deletion requests/File:President Yoon Suk Yeol and first Lady Kim Keon Hee depart to Madrid, Spain for Nato Summit at Seoul Air Base (3).jpg. VRT ticket #2014070110000717 is valid as a storage of background info and confidential communication for files using CC-BY-SA on flickr but should not be used for files using CC-BY-NC-SA on flickr. --Jarekt (talk) 00:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jarekt. On July 19th You wrote,
"RodRabelo7, Than you for your help here. I have never seen License history on flickr. I have verified that the license of those files was correct (CC-BY-SA) at the time of the upload..."
However, I had written on July 15th (see above) about information from these three files linked Flickr pages.
---Under the heading, "License History"
---that the "Old License" was "Attribution-ShareAlike (CC BY-SA 2.0)"
---and that the "New License" is "Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA 2.0)"
I further wrote,
"This file uploaded on 00:51, 1 July 2022, which is before the license changed on January 16, 2023."
In your second response you wrote,
"Ooligan the irrevocable license rule only applies to files uploaded by the copyright holders and the File:President Yoon Suk Yeol and first Lady Kim Keon Hee depart to Madrid, Spain for Nato Summit at Seoul Air Base (3).jpg was not. I also do not see any evidence that it was CC-BY-SA at the time of the upload. So let me clarify my position: Delete for this and all the files using Korea.net license unless the files have Flickrreview (or similar template) verifying that they were marked CC-BY-SA on flicker at some point. If someone wants to contact https://www.flickr.com/photos/koreanet/ and ask them to change the license we might be able to save them." (brackets removed, emphasis added)
I thought I was writing clearly enough, but another commenter clarified the Flickr license history information. I want to note here on this page that you kept these 3 files. Thank you, -- Ooligan (talk) 07:01, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ooligan I am sorry for dropping off from the discussion. The files are fine since they were uploded under valid license. I closed deletion request and added additional info to the files. --Jarekt (talk) 23:38, 3 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

File:FuruMSapital20230128_3.jpg and File:Ffffff20230131.jpg[edit]

Do these files need permission? [1][2][3][4] I see no obvious need for using VRT process here. Shizhao provided no additional explanation with these edits, and as an agent I cannot act without knowing what to verify. I believe in general VRT agents can 1) accept permission, 2) reject permission, or 3) consider permission unnecessary. I chose 3 here and got reverted. Am I missing something? (File:Ffffff20230131.jpg needs renaming, by the way, but I think that can be sorted out later.)

ticket:2023070210003188 is a related ticket, which I closed for the reasoning above. --whym (talk) 08:29, 30 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I feel I need to agree with @Whym in this case. I tried looking for possible available copies of these files and it appears the files were not published elsewhere before these were published here. There is no reason to doubt the uploader. ─ The Aafī (talk) 10:09, 30 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have removed reverted @Shizhao's edits and put an edit summary reading that if they have questions, they should consult at VRTN or simply put the files through a regular DR. ─ The Aafī (talk) 17:22, 1 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Unfortunately, @Shizhao has reverted my edits as well without stating why. It is unfortunate to see so happen when I had explicitly mentioned in the edit summary.@Red-tailed hawk, would you please take a look here as you are an admin and a VRT agent both? Best. ─ The Aafī (talk) 02:48, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
These two files lack EXIF data, there is reason to believe that they may not have been taken by themselves shizhao (talk) 11:47, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Shizhao, Lack of EXIF data is not a very good reason to doubt any file. Given what @King of Hearts states on Commons_talk:Deletion_requests/Archive_9#iPhone_strips_EXIF_from_HEIC_when_converting_to_JPEG; we should try to assume good faith and not tag files with no-permission if we do not have any good reason except that the files miss EXIF. ─ The Aafī (talk) 12:09, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree with the advice given by King of Hearts in their edit summary here—rather than repeatedly going back-and-forth on speedy tagging, it's best for the tagger to nominate the file for DR. This way, one centralized discussion can be had at the appropriate place, where editors can properly weigh in on if a file should or should not be deleted. A file lacking EXIF and being small in size can be a reason for significant doubt as to the file's freedom, but it isn't always the end of the analysis. As KoH noted at the aforementioned DR talk page, the lack of EXIF is less of a tell when the image appears reasonably likely to have been taken with a mobile phone.
If the file is possbily the dude's own photo, we should try to do a bit more digging before tagging it for deletion. In particular, we can also look at the users' other uploads to see if they have a lot of photos shot from the same/similar angle and with similar quality; this sort of evidence could be used to better discern whether a users' mobile phone was likely the origin of the file.
And, as it turns out, this user did upload some of the same sorts of photos as File:FuruMSapital20230128 3.jpg (admins: see File:FuruMSapital20230128.jpg and File:FuruMSapital20230128 2.jpg), though they were deleted by Krd as nobody contested the speedy tag within 7 days of the tag's placement. For this reason, I don't really have significant doubts that File:FuruMSapital20230128 3.jpg is legitimately own work of uploader. I can't say the same for File:Ffffff20230131.jpg, because the camera quality appears very different, it's a different event, and they only uploaded the one picture of it.
In any case, a DR is probably better suited to handle this specific instance of files uploaded with low quality and low exif rather than discussion on VRTN, as this doesn't appear to involve any VRT tickets that only VRT agents can see. If we're discssing the much broader case of no EXIF+Low quality, it's probably better to have it take place at COM:VPC. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 00:21, 3 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Gotta say, File:FuruMSapital20230128.jpg and File:FuruMSapital20230128 2.jpg look a lot more like something taken by an amateur with a mobile phone than anything else. I think File:FuruMSapital20230128.jpg and File:FuruMSapital20230128 2.jpg were probably wrongly deleted. - Jmabel ! talk 00:53, 3 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jmabel, It is unfortunate, a deleting admin should always check whether addition of such a template was warranted or not. I mean this generally happens with CSD's where a lot of admins move them to regular DRs but I do not see this culture with files tagged with "no-permission" or so. ─ The Aafī (talk) 13:21, 3 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Checkmark This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. ─ The Aafī (talk) 16:21, 8 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Are only photos with CC-BY-SA licenses from this source allowed on Commons?[edit]

See here: https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketNumber=2014070110000717

I just want to verify this VRT ticket permission(s), because a there is a related Deletion request (DR) here Commons:Deletion requests/File:Korea-Vietnam Summit 01 (53000098508).jpg

  • Also, seperately- as I pressed the "add topic" button, a red warning tag appeared with this:
"Warning
You are trying to add a VRTS permission tag to this page. In general, such tags should only be added by VRT members. You should not add these tags unless explicitly instructed to do so by a VRT member. You may press "Save page" again if you like to save this edit. If you do so, your edit will be tagged for review. In case you aren't sure if your edit is okay, it's best to ask for help, on the VRT Noticeboard."

I am only sending a VRT link to help with my question. I checked again that this is only a link and I am not adding a "VRT permission tag." Maybe this tag could be adjusted to not flag the use of of a VRT link on talk pages? Thanks, -- Ooligan (talk) 18:00, 3 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi @Ooligan, Given the request from @Gbawden some time ago (see this archived thread), I posted my observations on a related DR on 24 July 2023. Please see if that helps, and if you any further questions. Best regards, ─ The Aafī (talk) 11:37, 7 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Ticket: 2020091610019281[edit]

All files in Category:Go Ahead Eagles logo are covered by ticket:2020091610019281. At the bottom of the Go Ahead Eagles website it however says: © Copyright Go Ahead Eagles - Officiële website van Go Ahead Eagles. It's very uncommon for top level football clubs to just release their logos for anyone to use it freely so I just want to verify that the ticket is correct. Jonteemil (talk) 02:29, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi @Jonteemil: The ticket only releases the following images:
Best regards, ─ The Aafī (talk) 04:43, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That is clear but the question I had is if the ticket seems legit. I mean, anyone can say that they are a representative of the club and release the files, or is that perhaps impossible? Jonteemil (talk) 12:58, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jonteemil, the ticket is legit. You are true on the other thing that anyone can claim to be a representative of anything and it is pretty much possible that they might spam the VRT, but, we generally seek emails from verified organisational email addresses (or those mentioned on the organisation's contact page on their website) to ascertain the credibility. In this case, I can clearly see the email coming from an address ending with @ga-eagles.nl. I hope this answers your question. Let me know if you have any other queries. Best regards, ─ The Aafī (talk) 15:27, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Ticket:2023073110005854[edit]

is referenced in File:NajatBadri.jpg, but it says I don't have permission to view it. Is anybody able to view this ticket, or is this a typo?

CC: Mussklprozz

— Red-tailed hawk (nest) 04:07, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, unfortunately. There does not seem to be a typo in the ticket number given that it was added by Krdbot. However, it might be in a different queue to which we don't have access but @Mussklprozz has. ─ The Aafī (talk) 04:26, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Red-tailed hawk @TheAafi It is from the french language permission queue. Mussklprozz (talk) 07:14, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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